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  I don't get it
Posted by: j.p. - 12-21-2018, 05:48 PM - Forum: The Nation - Replies (5)

The uproar over withdrawing a measly 2,200 troops from Syria. We have no defined mission, no endgame, we are viewed as invaders and we will never kill all of terrorists (real or perceived).

same goes for Afghanistan

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  They Don't Represent Us
Posted by: k.d. - 12-20-2018, 01:06 PM - Forum: The Nation - No Replies

Our top political leaders do not think like us. They have powers and financing that we do not. Their objectives are not the same as ours. Their views are not the same as ours. The conditions that shape their decisions are not the conditions we face in our lives. Their interests are not our interests. Their values are not our values.
The result of these discrepancies is that they do not generally represent us. Much of what they decide to do appears to us as strange, irrational, and against our interests.
Here are a few recent examples.
15 of 19 hijackers on 9/11 are Saudis, so naturally George W. Bush attacks Afghanistan and Iraq.
Libyan leader Gaddafi fights al-Qaeda rebels, so naturally NATO and the U.S. attack Libya.
Libya is stable under Gaddafi, so naturally Hillary Clinton takes joy in wrecking the country and seeing him killed.
Saudi Arabia attacks Yemen with essential U.S. support, so naturally Trump blames Iran.
Mohammed bin Salman orders Kashoggi murdered in a Saudi embassy, so naturally Trump defends bin Salman.
Trump seeks peace in Korea, so naturally Bolton and Pompeo place sanctions on several North Koreans close to their leader Kim Jong Un.
Obama achieves a containment agreement with Iran, so naturally Trump withdraws from it.
Obama is against what he calls dumb wars, so naturally he involves the U.S. in war in Syria.
Obama is against what he calls dumb wars, so naturally he places American forces in many African countries.
Obama is against what he calls dumb wars, so naturally he joins Saudi Arabia’s war on Yemen.
Crimeans vote to join Russia, so naturally Obama accuses Russia of invading Crimea.
Relations with Russia are peaceful for 25 years after the Cold War, so naturally Obama stirs up revolution in Ukraine and supports its government with aid.
The 1987 INF Treaty is a success, lowering intermediate and shorter-range missiles, so naturally Trump withdraws from it.
After the Cold War, NATO has no function, so naturally it goes into battle in Afghanistan.
The Cold War with Russia ends, so naturally Bill Clinton and NATO make war in the old Yugoslavia.
The Cold War with Russia ends, so naturally NATO expands into countries around Russia.
The Cold War with Russia ends, so naturally NATO threatens Russia militarily.
The Cold War with Russia ends, so naturally the US expands its missiles in Europe.
The Cold War with Russia ends, so naturally NATO more than ever views Russia as a threat.
The Cold War with Russia ends, so naturally George W. Bush withdraws from the ABM (Anti-Ballistic Missile) Treaty.
Not only do they not represent us, they cannot represent us. Government is not of the people, by the people and for the people. It is impossible that it ever be such for any extended length of time. Voting does not prevent government from degenerating, speaking from our perspective, as the American experience clearly shows.
8:50 am on December 18, 2018 Email Michael S. Rozeff

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  Finally a win ! 2 of them yet
Posted by: j.p. - 12-19-2018, 07:15 PM - Forum: World View - Replies (1)

1) Getting the last remnants of our losing asses out of Syria. Quite sure it will be temporary, but what the hey.
2) Prison Reform or something like that.

It's been 2 long years and Trump finally got his coveted win. They ain't much, but 2 things O couldn't do. 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-militar...1545225641

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201...es-senate/

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  Democrats 'New Blood'
Posted by: k.d. - 12-16-2018, 02:24 PM - Forum: The Nation - Replies (2)

Here's Bloomberg:

Quote:The poll shows Biden leading among a field of 20 potential candidates, followed by Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders and Texas Representative Beto O’Rourke. The poll asked likely caucusgoers who their top choice for president would be among potential candidates for their party’s nomination.
[...]
The Iowa poll found 32 percent of likely caucusgoers prefer Biden, with 19 percent selecting Sanders as their first choice, and O’Rourke at 11 percent. Featured lower in the list of possible Democrats were Senators Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris and Cory Booker.

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  Obsolete Saying?
Posted by: k.d. - 12-16-2018, 02:13 PM - Forum: Local Chatter - Replies (10)

"Boys will be boys"?

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  Despicable Paul Ryan
Posted by: k.d. - 12-13-2018, 03:34 PM - Forum: The Nation - Replies (2)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/...yemen-bill
This guy is such a creep.

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  Bovard's 2 cents on Bush
Posted by: k.d. - 12-07-2018, 11:39 PM - Forum: The Nation - No Replies

I saw George H.W. Bush give a speech in southern Illinois in early 1980 when he was campaigning for the Republican presidential nomination. His spiel was the usual campaign stump speech, with nothing memorable. However, after the speech, a young student at Southern Illinois University politely asked him about his role in the Trilateral Commission. Bush became unglued, shouting angrily about how people were always hassling him about that connection. Maybe Bush was just having a bad day but I was stunned by his reaction. Reagan thrashed him in the Illinois primary, carrying conservative-leaning areas in southern Illinois by huge margins.  Bush’s Establishment style utterly failed to resonate in that part of the state.
I have been vigorously criticizing George H.W. Bush’s policies & career for decades. Here’s a 1991 C-SPAN interview where I flogged his nitwit trade policies.

Quote:Why write about George H.W. Bush’s record before his burial? Because, as Willie Brown said, “In politics, a lie unanswered becomes truth within 24 hours.” https://t.co/QDdiiiNcgC
— James Bovard (@JimBovard) December 6, 2018
Quote:In his eulogy today, Rev. Russell Levenson compared George H.W. Bush to Jesus. I’ve heard the Holy Ghost is perturbed for being left out.
— James Bovard (@JimBovard) December 6, 2018
Quote:#Bush41 Americans should be wary of eulogies for politicians who violated their rights and liberties. https://t.co/QDdiiiNcgC
— James Bovard (@JimBovard) December 5, 2018
Quote:All these tributes at yesterday’s funeral to George H.W. Bush’s “character” – Nobody recalls how he betrayed the Kurds in 1991, encouraging them to revolt & then abandoning them to Saddam’s crackdown. https://t.co/hld4IrWCu9
— James Bovard (@JimBovard) December 6, 2018
Quote:George W. Bush declared today that #Bush41 was “no cynic.” But his betrayals on his tax pledge & his debacles at home & abroad turned millions of other Americans into cynics. https://t.co/QDdiiiNcgC
— James Bovard (@JimBovard) December 6, 2018
Quote:Shakespeare wrote “the evil that men do lives after them.” America continues to be vexed by #Bush41 ‘s protectionist, drug policy, & warring precedents. https://t.co/QDdiij4N8a
— James Bovard (@JimBovard) December 5, 2018
Quote:Stoicism gets no respect these days. https://t.co/rXfUOC0QIC
— James Bovard (@JimBovard) December 5, 2018
Quote:George H.W. Bush was lauded today as a “twentieth century Founding Father” but no Founder would have endorsed public beheadings of drug dealers as did Bush’s Drug Czar. #Bush41 https://t.co/QDdiiiNcgC
— James Bovard (@JimBovard) December 5, 2018
Quote:#GeorgeHWBush kinder & gentler? Asset forfeiture seizures rose 300% during his administration, and his plundering policies continue to vex America https://t.co/QDdiiiNcgC
— James Bovard (@JimBovard) December 5, 2018
Quote:Trump calls himself a Tariff Man but President #GeorgeHWBush was the Brassiere Czar, dictating that Mexico could sell us only 35,292 bras per year https://t.co/QDdiiiNcgC
— James Bovard (@JimBovard) December 4, 2018
Quote:#GeorgeHWBush “kinder and gentler”? His lawyers swayed the Supreme Court to approve mandatory warrantless searches of interstate bus passengers, nullifying the rights of people who could not afford to travel 1st Class https://t.co/QDdiiiNcgC
— James Bovard (@JimBovard) December 4, 2018
Quote:Media tributes to #GeorgeHWBush forget: “Democracy cannot afford to deify deceased politicians whose precedents pose continuing perils.” https://t.co/QDdiiiNcgC pic.twitter.com/H9JYMYiun8
— James Bovard (@JimBovard) December 4, 2018
Quote:Trump’s trade policies are bad but it was George H.W. Bush who ordered feds to investigate when ice cream imports threatened to exceed 1% of U.S. market https://t.co/QDdiiiNcgC
— James Bovard (@JimBovard) December 4, 2018
Quote:President Trump boasted today that he is a “Tariff Man.” Never forget that President George HW Bush was the most protectionist president since Hoover & helped pave the way for today’s nonsense. https://t.co/QDdiiiNcgC
— James Bovard (@JimBovard) December 4, 2018
Quote:My @USATODAY oped: George H.W. Bush’s disastrous policies and precedents ravaged consumers, decimated freedom, and helped elevate presidents above the law https://t.co/QDdiiiNcgC
— James Bovard (@JimBovard) December 4, 2018
Quote:President George H.W. Bush said the Americans with Disabilities Act “calls upon the best in the American people.” The badly-written ADA proved a disaster at helping the disabled find work https://t.co/PHbDyQPA5V
— James Bovard (@JimBovard) December 2, 2018
Quote:President George H.W. Bush promised a “kinder, gentler” America but he exalted & unleashed federal agents, leading to Ruby Ridge & other debacles https://t.co/S6Lqvhcv17
— James Bovard (@JimBovard) December 1, 2018
Quote:Pres. George HW Bush justified the first Gulf War to restore Kuwait’s “rightful leaders to their place.” Why should Americans give a damn which Arab dictators control which patches of sand? https://t.co/YgKhKCDIRo
— James Bovard (@JimBovard) December 1, 2018
Quote:The late George H.W. Bush is being lauded as a statesman but his trade policy was a protectionist disaster, with endless pandering, demagoguery, and nitwit bureaucratic dictators https://t.co/rIL0QXoNM9
— James Bovard (@JimBovard) December 1, 2018
Reprinted with the author’s permission.

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  Before Surgery
Posted by: k.d. - 12-06-2018, 01:38 PM - Forum: Local Chatter - No Replies

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  American hard work and ingenuity
Posted by: j.p. - 12-06-2018, 11:27 AM - Forum: World View - Replies (5)

We need people like this. This young women has more American spirit than all of the big mouthed /small minded nationalists combined.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/honduran-woma...-mile-trip



"Maryury Elizabeth Serrano-Hernandez, 19, was more than seven months pregnant when she left Honduras, along with her husband Miguel Ortiz, 20, and their three-year-old son, travelling more than 2,000 miles

scaling the border wall with her family and giving birth within 24 hours."

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  People of Color
Posted by: k.d. - 12-04-2018, 07:39 PM - Forum: Local Chatter - No Replies

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