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  Acosta
Posted by: k.d. - 11-19-2018, 10:18 AM - Forum: The Nation - Replies (2)

Quote:Interesting blog post by Michael Rozeff. Interesting in the fact that we learn where that phrase "You can't yell, "Fire"... came from and what the actual case that came from was about. I was shocked to learn this little tidbit.

Jim Acosta has no right to be in the West Wing. He doesn’t own it. That’s a no-brainer. If he is admitted, he has no right to shout “FIRE!” whenever he pleases; that’s discussed below. If he accosted Trump in any number of other ways that flouted comity, he’d likewise wear out his welcome and be subject to expulsion. Comity means “courtesy and considerate behavior toward others”. His lack of it led to cancellation of his invitation. A press pass is simply an invitation. It can be revoked. The people running the press conference can discriminate on grounds of a lack of comity, a lack that defeats the purposes for which the press conference has been called. They can also discriminate arbitrarily, although the political price for doing so will be high. People do expect there to be reasons for expulsion, and there are in fact many improper behaviors that people will accept as justifiable, such as cursing out Trump, not shutting up, shouting him down, interrupting, making wisecracks, unfurling banners, grabbing the microphones, wearing provocative clothing, etc.
The media do not have a right to a press conference there or anywhere else in the first place. If they are invited, does any one of them have a right to shout “FIRE!” when there is no fire? Clearly not. Why not? It’s because it creates an aggression. It creates the danger of panic and injury contingent on such panic. It also sets in motion the diversion of firefighters and security from more urgent tasks and duties, creating secondary unnecessary risks. The third effect is confusion. If people can shout “FIRE!” at will, how will people know if it’s for real or not? False alarms will undermine the effectiveness of a genuine warning. A theater owner has a right to forbid many kinds of speech, including shouting “FIRE!”. The White House officials similarly have a right to forbid many kinds of speech and other behaviors on that property.
The original Supreme Court decision, unanimous at that, in which Holmes used the “shouting fire” analogy was very, very bad, it should be strongly noted. It stopped a man (Schenck) from distributing flyers that opposed the draft in World War I. It’s bad because of the grounds it invoked, which were that this distribution was a “clear and present danger” to the government’s war-making efforts. This sacrificed the First Amendment. There could not have been a greater violation of free speech than this horrible judgment. The case of Julian Assange is very similar in its injustice. The First Amendment rules out a government law against free speech or a free press. Schenck was stopped from speaking. No amount of Supreme Court twisting and turning can change the fact that they made up grounds for invoking the law (the Constitution) itself against free speech. Those fake grounds were “clear and present danger”. The whole thing is disgusting.
If speech upon the property of others is restricted, it’s because it’s the property right of those in control of the property. They may have reasons or no reasons at all for the restrictions. They don’t need to kowtow to those whom they invite in. An invitation can be conditional upon rules of behavior imposed by the property owner. The Bill of Rights nowhere guarantees that you have a right to exercise your freedom to speak when on the property of others. Although Murray Rothbard made this clear decades ago, the knowledge hasn’t penetrated our society yet.
Judge Timothy J. Kelly has issued a temporary restraining order that reinstates Acosta. It was a great day for misunderstanding the First Amendment, the Fifth Amendment and the rights of property owners. Trump’s White House doesn’t have to prove that Acosta has been accorded due process, as the judge thinks. Due process doesn’t even enter into the equation at all because Acosta has no rights at all in this situation.

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  Trump Right Again
Posted by: k.d. - 11-19-2018, 10:06 AM - Forum: The Nation - Replies (1)

https://www.rt.com/news/444180-france-wi...aste-test/

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  #FLOTITS - PC run amok
Posted by: j.p. - 11-16-2018, 08:48 AM - Forum: World View - Replies (3)

"The dry cleaning bill for the upholstery on Air Force One must be insane.#FLOTITS"

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2018/11/14/bette-midler-attacks-melania-trump-as-flotits/

In the age of Trump, this joke by Bette Midler was rather innocuous. The neo-snowlakes are freakiing out. The First lady's former career was partially to strip for the pleasure of men, right ?

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  Dead Picker
Posted by: k.d. - 11-15-2018, 01:29 PM - Forum: World View - Replies (2)

Roy Clark has passed on.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/ro...dead-at-85

Singing and Pickin on Hee Haw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbk8-KEiX1Y

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  Was I ever wrong !
Posted by: j.p. - 11-15-2018, 11:08 AM - Forum: The Nation - Replies (6)

"In sweeping moves intended to curb smoking and vaping among youth, the Food and Drug Administration on Thursday tightened tobacco enforcement, announced plans to ban menthol cigarettes and many flavored small cigars and moved forward with a prohibition on the sale of sweet-flavored electronic cigarette liquid at convenience stores and gas stations."

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/heal...003219002/


I was always for the indoor smoking ban in the public square for public health reasons. I did not believe injuring unsuspecting patrons and employees was a property right.
The public has accepted that, nobody's rights have been trampled on, and the bar business is thriving.

Another argument the pro smokers presented was the "slippery slope" argument. That once we banned indoor tobacco smoking, other smoking related prohibitions would follow.. I poo-pood that . I was wrong ! . Now the do-gooders are going after vaping. Aside from looking really stupid, vaping is safe. Nicotine, while highly addictive, is not harmful. The theory that vaping could lead to tobacco use is not a valid reason for the government to restrict.

So much for the public health concerns.

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  MAGA Home School University
Posted by: j.p. - 11-15-2018, 08:45 AM - Forum: Local Chatter - Replies (1)

For the "advanced" MAGA engineering student.

https://www.wfla.com/news/national/-maga...1593993674

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  Twilight Zone
Posted by: k.d. - 11-14-2018, 06:54 PM - Forum: Local Chatter - No Replies

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  A Good Sport
Posted by: k.d. - 11-13-2018, 11:23 PM - Forum: Sports - Replies (2)

[Image: 43339429_10217297763907288_4677697239110...e=5C6C8307]

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  State Ed. Creates Ignorance
Posted by: k.d. - 11-11-2018, 09:41 AM - Forum: The Nation - No Replies

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The State weaponizes education to create ignorance
Feb14 by Jon Rappoport
The State weaponizes education to create ignorance
Independent Education: the crisis and the crossroad
by Jon Rappoport
February 14, 2018
A hundred fifty years ago, at least some Americans recognized that all serious discourse depended on the use of the faculty called Reason.
Formal debate, science, and law all flowed from that source.
A common bond existed in some schools of the day. The student was expected to learn how Reason operates, and for that he was taught the only subject which could lay out, as on a long table, the visible principles: Logic.
This was accepted.
But now, this bond is gone.
The independence engendered by the disciplined study of logic is no longer a desired quality in students.
The classroom, at best, has taken on the appearance of a fact-memorization factory; and we should express grave doubts about the relevance and truth of many of those facts.
A society filled with people who float in the drift of non-logic is a society that declines.
Ideologies that deny individual freedom and independence are welcomed with open arms.
When education becomes so degraded that young students are no longer taught to reason clearly, private citizens have the obligation rebuild that system so the great contribution to Western civilization—logic—is reinstated in its rightful place.
Logic, the key by which true political discourse, science, and law were, in fact, originally developed, must be unearthed.
Logic and reasoning, the capacity to think, the ability to analyze ideas—an ability which has been forgotten, which has been a surpassing virtue in every free civilization—must be restored.
Once a vital thing has been misplaced, buried, and covered over by mindless substitutions, people cannot immediately recognize the original thing has any importance, meaning, or existence.
To declare its importance makes no sense to “the crowd.” They look bewildered and shake their heads. They search their memories and find nothing.
They prefer to adhere to rumor, gossip, accusation, wild speculation, and fear mongering as the primary means of public discourse and assessment of truth.
These habits light their paths. These reflexes give them some degree of pleasure. These idols become their little gods.
To win out over such attachments and superstitions is a job for the long term.
But if our labors yield rewards, we can once again bring import to education, and to the idea of authentic freedom that once cut a wide swathe through darkness.
A string of direct and distracting abuses has saddled our schools. Among them:
* Teachers believe they need to entertain children, in order to capture their attention;
* School systems have substituted the need for public funds in the place of actually supplying a sound education;
* Under the banner of political correctness, school texts have been sanitized to the point of sterility, in order to avoid the possibility of offending, to the slightest degree, any group;
* Students rarely confront information in the form in which it is delivered to people all over the world—they confront substitutes;
* Students have, in this respect, been coddled;
* Subjects such as sex education, which belong in the family, have been delivered into the hands of schools and teachers;
* Indeed, in certain key respects, schools are asked to substitute and stand in for parents;
* Masked as “learning opportunities,” various political agendas have been inserted in school curricula;
* The basis on which every historic document establishing some degree of freedom was debated and drafted—logical thought—has been eliminated from the curriculum as a serious discipline;
* Students are permitted and even encouraged to drift and grasp at superficially attractive ideas and fads of the moment;
* In this respect, freedom has been reinterpreted to mean “mental incapacity and wandering thought”;
* The vast contributions of the ancient Greek civilization, where logic as a crucial subject was born, have been obliterated, minimized or summarized in sterile fashion;
* Logic, the connective tissue which binds together the progression of ideas in rational argument, has been kept away from students;
* The result is the production of shallow minds that cannot see the architecture of reasoning;
* Students, at sea, begin to invent wholly insufficient standards for accepting or rejecting various points of view and supposed authorities;
* Students lose their true independence without ever having gained it;
* The low level of overall literacy in our schools is matched only by the non-comprehension of rational thought;
In the presence of these and other deficiencies and abuses, students are pushed through, from grade to grade, graduation to graduation, as a bureaucratic function, regardless of their ability.
Therefore, citizens of good intent must offload this system. They must assume responsibility for teaching children the missing key to education.
Logic; the capacity to reason, to think lucidly; to separate sense from chatter; to discover deception and avoid being influenced by it; to remain free and independent from the shifting opinions of “the herd”; to maintain personal liberty in the face of every spurious enticement to abandon it; to come to grips with competitive sets of First Principles which will lead to freedom or slavery; these are the stakes in our time.
This is the crossroad.
Choose the path that can bring us the fulfillment of a worthy goal.
Choose reason over vacuous mindlessness.
We, who still know the power of the mind, and who understand how that power can be harnessed to shape independence and liberty, can bring, out of the dust of recent history, an education that truly trains the intellect.
Logic is the foundation of such an education.
If schools, which have become madhouses and factories and toxic medical dispensaries, will not teach it, we can teach it.

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  Another Trump Judge?
Posted by: k.d. - 11-08-2018, 01:40 PM - Forum: The Nation - Replies (6)

If that bag of old Jew bones, Ginsberg, retires.

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